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Some people think the USA and Iran are allies?

This must be that “reform” we’ve heard so much about from Tehran’s “moderate” regime – right Obama… ?
‘Iran’s intelligence agents pressuring female Kurdish political prisoner to extract TV confession’

‪#‎Iran‬, 03-03-2016: ‘The criminal prosecutor of city of Khoy obstructed medical furlough for Kurdish political prisoner Ms. Zeinab Jalalian.

In recent weeks, a team from the intelligence ministry (MOIS) has referred to Ms. Zeinab several times in Khoy prison to force her into making TV confession as a precondition for her medical aid and dispatching her to the hospital outside prison. However, Ms. Jalanian has refused and has declared that she is not ready to give forced confession.

Ms. Jalalian suffers from pterygium and intestinal disease and may completely lose her eye sight, but prison guards have numerously prevented her dispatch to the hospital.

In March 2008, she was arrested by the MOIS in Kermanshah and underwent interrogation and torture. She was condemned to death by the court, but her sentence was later commuted to life in prison.

This political prisoner, who has spent the past eight years in prison, has time and again staged hunger strikes because of the pressures imposed on her and over being barred from medical care.’

The criminal prosecutor of city of Khoy obstructed medical furlough for Kurdish political prisoner Ms. Zeinab Jalalian. In recent weeks, a team from the…
NCR-IRAN.ORG|BY SUPER USER
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ABel AShes
ABel AShes I don’t think Obama considers the regime in Iran to be “moderate”. This is why he is so intent on preventing them from obtaining nuclear weapons like North Korea.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Which is presumably why a loophole in his JCPOA allows Iran to continue working closely with its partners in North Korea…http://nationalinterest.org/…/north-korea-irans-pathway…

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ABel AShes
ABel AShes The fact still remains that before the “nuclear deal” the USA had much less ability to slow and/or prevent Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Just like it had power over North Korea after Bill Clinton’s deal, which has of course been rigorously adhered to… or something… Washington really doesn’t “get it” – totalitarian regimes aren’t nice members of the local council sanitation committee at a humdrum meeting, they see these agreements, like they see UN sanctions, as toilet roll. Meanwhile, it’s ensured that Iran has power over the region and the US is now viewed as a partner in its ethno-sectarian war – so basically the US sold the Arab peoples down the swanee( (again) so that Obama could have a Kodak moment.

ABel AShes
ABel AShes Obama does not trust Iran and the deal is not based on trust. It’s based on carrots and sticks and its critics have proposed nothing better.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Carrots and sticks? What, like Obama bends over and they shove his stick up his backside? They’re already testing nuclear-capable ballistic missiles and working closely with North Korea, that says a lot about how they view the “sticks”… http://foreignpolicy.com/…/nuclear-deal-in-place-iran…/

ABel AShes
ABel AShes It was worse before the “deal”.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler They know Obama will do nothing, he’s a doormat for every dictator and totalitarian regime.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Oh yes?

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Before Iran had around $100 billion to spend on arms and militias across the region? Yup, there’s peace and harmony now…

ABel AShes
ABel AShes “Peace and harmony” has never existed on Earth…ever…the point was to do something to prevent another psychotic regime from obtaining nuclear weapons. What do you propose be done instead?

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Obama never bothered listening to the peoples of the region – it was always “America knows best” (and the tail to Washington’s dog in Britain automatically agrees, of course) – http://news.yahoo.com/iran-godfather-jihadists-opposition…

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Oh it’s far too late now – Obama’s “legacy” is unfolding across the region – ethno-sectarian war which will probably last decades and the worst humanitarian catastrophe in modern history.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler With Putin and, of course, Trump capitalising gleefully on this.

ABel AShes
ABel AShes Okay that is just a stupid assertion. The regime in Iran is pure evil and so is Islamic State, but they are absolute enemies. Islamic State supports the eradication of all Shia.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler But then the same people who insist that totalitarianism and dictatorship offers “stability” in Arab nations will surely be happy to have the same thing for themselves.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Ohhhh I forgot – the Iranian opposition (the head is also Shia btw) knows nothing, Americans are the experts in the field. By the way, a) the vast majority of ISIS’ victims are Sunni, and b) the US is helping them massively by backing sectarian war… http://foreignpolicy.com/…/the-united-states-is…/

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler The US is, in effect, backing one savage expansionist theocratic “Islamic state” against another. http://eaworldview.com/…/iran-daily-we-are-forming-a…/

Iran Daily, Nov 21: “We Are Forming a Single Islamic Nation in Iran, Syria, Iraq, & Yemen” – EA…
EAWORLDVIEW.COM
Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Although as the Palestinian analyst Azmi Bishara has pointed out, sect is an excuse (for Tehran as for Daesh and other would-be theocrats – they’re all dictators, whether in ties or turbans in the end) for plain old totalitarian hegemony. http://www.alaraby.co.uk/…/the-arab-iranian-conflict-is…

The Arab-Iranian conflict is political, not sectarian
ALARABY.CO.UK|BY AZMI BISHARA
ABel AShes
ABel AShes Iran and the USA are allies now? Is that you implication? That is so far from reality that it should be filed along with such stupid conspiracy theories as blaming Israel or Turkey or Saudi Arabia for the existence of ISIS. I am done talking with you. It’s like talking to a babbling crackhead.

ABel AShes
ABel AShes Until the Middle East is ruled by secular liberals the Middle East will keep self destructing.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Ri-ight… the thing is ABel, it’s what people in the Middle East are seeing that makes them believe that, not American liberals’ uninformed opinions on it…

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler The people of the Middle East would like freedom to decide their own rulers – nobody wants dictators whether in ties or turbans, whether nominally secular or theocratic.

ABel AShes
ABel AShes “Uninformed”…this from someone who thinks Iran and the USA and Islamic State are on the same side…or something to that effect…delusional.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Yeah ABel – heck, what would a non-American know…?

ABel AShes
ABel AShes So now you want to paint all non-Americans as agreeing with your lunacy?

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Some whacky folk at CNN have obviously been on the same crazy drugs… http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/18/politics/us-iran-iraq/

U.S. and Iran: From sworn enemies to partners on Iraq? – CNNPolitics.com
CNN.COM|BY BY TOM COHEN AND HOLLY YAN, CNN
Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Who exactly do you think runs Iraq ABel…? Do share your insight. What do you think happened following the 2003 invasion…?

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler “Like I tohdully know about the Middle East right, I mean I once talked to a woman from Eyerack”

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler No ABel, I’m talking about the government… (although given the success of Donald Trump, I think Idiocracy may not have been too far off the mark).

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler And the maker of Idiocracy apparently agrees with that assessment. http://www.washingtontimes.com/…/etan-cohen-idiocracy…/

Etan Cohen, ‘Idiocracy’ writer: ‘I never expected’ movie would ‘become a documentary’
WASHINGTONTIMES.COM|BY JESSICA CHASMAR
Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Another crazy whacko – a former senior US military advisor – on why Obama’s policy in Iraq is a fairy tale (and a nightmare for its people) which has only empowered Tehran’s takeover and regional sectarian war…

03-03-2016: ‘…Iran was on Iraq likeSee More

When I was an advisor in Iraq in 2012, I was implementing a fairy tale policy while Iraq was…
FOREIGNPOLICY.COM
Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler More loopy nuttiness from that well-known conspiracy theorist site the Congress blog – http://thehill.com/…/243787-irans-cooperation-with…

Iran’s cooperation with North Korea includes nuclear warhead technology
THEHILL.COM
Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Another tin foil crazoid, the longest-serving US diplomat in Iraqhttp://www.investors.com/…/longest-serving-u-s…/

Longest-Serving U.S. Diplomat In Iraq: Obama Gave Us ISIS
INVESTORS.COM
ABel AShes
ABel AShes My brother-in-law and ex-girlfriend are from Iran. He is an atheist and she is a Taoist. My wife, while not from “the Middle East” is from MENA, Tunisia to be specific and I lived with her in Tunisia for several months in 2012 and 2013 and have many Tunisian friends. I have helped an Afghan atheist friend to obtain asylum in Belgium. If you look through my friend list you will find that I associate on and offline with hundreds of atheists from and in “Muslim countries” and have been an advocate for secular freedoms in the Middle East and globally for many years. I have also read an enormous amount of non-fiction, primarily on issues related to the “Islamic world”, especially related to Islamist and jihadist movements, secular, liberal, and feminist movements in the “Muslim world” and terrorism, Islamic and otherwise. I have had frequent online contact with atheist activists in Syria during the war. I have debated with Pakistanis who support the Taliban and turned in several Islamic State supporters and members to the FBI including one Pakistani in Syria I debated religion with right here on FB.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Oh like tohdully ABel, well that’s that like tohdully sorted out – you know more than any experts in the region, you’r brother in law and ex girlfriend are from Iran and you lived in Tunisia for seven months.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Rahim Hamid meet ABel, he’s an expert on the “Islamic world”. He’s got it all figured out y’know.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler BTW ABel, guess who else backs the Taliban?http://www.wsj.com/…/iran-backs-taliban-with-cash-and…

Iran Backs Taliban With Cash and Arms
WSJ.COM|BY MARGHERITA STANCATI
Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler It’s almost like it’s more about politics than anything else – gosh, that couldn’t be, could it…? https://www.foreignaffairs.com/…/russia-and-taliban…

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Might it be that demagogues, regimes and various parties might abuse faith, whether Islam or any other, for the sake of power? Heavens above, that’s never been tried before…

ABel AShes
ABel AShes So Obama and/or Bush “created” ISIS? Nope, Islamic State are the same “Iraqi” insurgency that is responsible for most of the deaths of Iraqi civilians, Iraqi military, and US military since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

ABel AShes
ABel AShes Before they entered Syria from Iraq they were “Islamic State in Iraq” (ISI) and before that they were known in the international press as “al Qaeda in Iraq” which was the primary Sunni militant group responsible for the majority of Iraqi civilian deaths and killings of US and Iraqi troops after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

“Al Qaeda in Iraq” was what Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (founded in 1999) became when he pledged allegiance to al Qaeda in 2004. Al Qaeda and al Qaeda in Iraq had a very uneasy relationship as al Qaeda “central” (Bin Laden and Zawahiri) opposed the brutal attacks on so many fellow Muslims that Zarqawi saw fit to kill for supporting the new Iraqi democracy or “the US occupation” or for being Shia rather than Sunni.

In January 2006 Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (“al Qaeda in Iraq”) joined with other Sunni militant groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council (MSC). In June 2006 Zarqawi was killed by US bombs in a targeted assassination.

In October 2006 the group declared themselves to be the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and the leadership was taken up by an Islamic scholar with both a Masters and PhD in Islamic studies whose birth name was Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badri but who went by many aliases as a jihadist leader, most well known in the international press as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

in 2011 al-Nusra Front (the al Qaeda branch in Syria) was led by al-Baghdadi and he sought to merge it with his Islamic State in Iraq (ISI)/Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/ISIS) group which al Qaeda opposed. This led to the split of the two groups and since that time al Nusra and ISIS have been not only at war with the Syrian government and anti-government Syrian rebels but with each other as well.

Finally in 2014 ISIS/ISIL/EIIL declared themselves to not only be advocates for a new global Caliphate but to be that Caliphate and declared Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to be the Caliph. This means they see themselves as the ONLY legitimate rulers of the entirety of the Islamic world.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler http://www.christiantoday.com/…/russian…/66312.htm

Russian Orthodox Church supports Putin’s ‘holy war’ in Syria to protect Christians
CHRISTIANTODAY.COM
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Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler If you actually try reading an article rather than the headline ABel, you might understand what he’s saying…

ABel AShes
ABel AShes I do understand what he is saying and how he is exaggerating in a very irresponsible way.

Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler The diplomat in question (despite not having lived in Tunisia for seven months) is saying that Obama’s policies created the conditions for the rise and continuing power of Daesh. Despite being handicapped by lacking your insight, I think he might be onto something…

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Ruth Riegler
Ruth Riegler Carpet-bombing and working with sectarian militias to fight sectarianism and extremism is like using petrol as a firefighting tool – it doesn’t work, it just spreads the existing problem (see also Bush). Nobody wants Daesh – but giving the people the “choice” between Daesh or rule by equally savage Shiite militias is like saying “Pick Ebola or Stage 5 cancer” – and the two forms of extremism feed off each other.

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ABel AShes
ABel AShes “Creating conditions” that inadvertently allow an enemy an advantage to gain power and become an even bigger threat is not the same as “creating” that enemy. This type of irresponsible language is a huge problem. Please remember that those idiots voting for Trump and who think RT and Press TV are real news are not smart enough to understand that ISIS is a creation of a very specific radical form of Sunni Islam obsessed with “end times” prophecies, NOT a creation of the USA or Iraq or Iran or Syria or Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Israel or Palestine or Turkey. Facts matter more than propaganda and ideology if we want to actually solve problems.

ABel AShes
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