Abel Ashes: “Dear Muslims: It’s not blasphemy or democracy or secularism that has destabilized your countries. It’s Islam and sharia and anti-blasphemy laws and theocracy and hereditary religion and hatred of those who are different.”
Islamic apologist response: “It’s not Islam that we blame.people who practice it in the wrong way are those who to blame.”
Abel Ashes: “It’s Islam that I blame. 100%.”
Islamic apologist response: “You don’t understand Islam so you can’t blame something you don’t know about.”
Abel Ashes: I know more about Islam than you do. Want to discuss?
Point #1: Women being held as sex slaves is true Islam per the Koran (it’s also true Judaism per the Torah).
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Or as my N.J. Dawood translation reads: “Prophet, we have made lawful for you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave-girls whom God has given you as booty; the daughters of your paternal and maternal uncles and of your paternal and maternal aunts who fled with you; and any believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet wishes to take in marriage. This privilege is yours alone, being granted to no other believer.”
Abel Ashes: “That verse taken out of context make makes it seem that only Mohammed was allowed to take non-believing women as sex slaves (which would be enough to demonstrate that Mohammed was an evil, perverted, and cruel, and immoral man) however…”
Sahih International 4:3
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
N.J. Dawood 1956 translation: “If you fear that you cannot treat orphans with fairness, then you may marry other women who seem good to you: two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only or any slave-girls you may own. This will make it easier for you to avoid injustice.”
Abel Ashes: Apparently, owning slaves-girls or possessing other people “by your right hand” is not seen as “injustice” in true Islam. Slavery is justified and marrying slaves is justified. Polygamy is also justified, which I don’t have a problem with as long as everyone is a consenting adult. However, true, real, authentic Islam as invented and sold by Mohammed in the Quran justifies Muslim men to take children as wives and to take non-believing women as slaves and to “marry” them against their will.
According to the Quran Muslim men can marry up to four Muslim women if they can treat them all fairly and if they cannot they should either only marry one Muslim woman or ANY number of slave women that they possess as property because they do not have to treat non-believing women fairly. Believing in the fairy tales of God and the afterlife and angels and djinn and all the other make believe childish bullshit is apparently necessary to not be seen as worthy of death and or slavery, including sex slavery, in true, authentic, real Islam. ISIS are real Muslims.
Sahih International 4:25
And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free [unmarried] women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Abel Ashes: A few verses later Mohammed the “prophet”, er I mean “Allah” (wink wink), contradicts himself (as the Bible and Koran do countless times). In 4:3 he says Muslim men can marry “any” women “whom their “right hand possesses” or “slave-girls” (depending on the translation), but by verse 4:25 he has clarified that the slave-girl should be a believer. Did slave-girls have the right to say “no” I will not marry you? Nope. “Their people” were asked permission but the girl herself was not.
But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess – then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.
Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed –
Who will inherit al-Firdaus. They will abide therein eternally.
And those who are fearful of the punishment of their Lord –
Indeed, the punishment of their Lord is not that from which one is safe –
Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed –
And those who are in their testimonies upright.
Your ally is none but Allah and [therefore] His Messenger and those who have believed – those who establish prayer and give zakah, and they bow [in worship].
And whoever is an ally of Allah and His Messenger and those who have believed – indeed, the party of Allah – they will be the predominant.
O you who have believed, take not those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the Scripture before you nor the disbelievers as allies. And fear Allah , if you should [truly] be believers.
And when you call to prayer, they take it in ridicule and amusement. That is because they are a people who do not use reason.
Say, “O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?”
Say, “Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way.”
And when they come to you, they say, “We believe.” But they have entered with disbelief [in their hearts], and they have certainly left with it. And Allah is most knowing of what they were concealing.
And you see many of them hastening into sin and aggression and the devouring of [what is] unlawful. How wretched is what they have been doing.
Why do the rabbis and religious scholars not forbid them from saying what is sinful and devouring what is unlawful? How wretched is what they have been practicing.
And the Jews say, “The hand of Allah is chained.” Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. And We have cast among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war [against you], Allah extinguished it. And they strive throughout the land [causing] corruption, and Allah does not like corrupters.
And if only the People of the Scripture had believed and feared Allah , We would have removed from them their misdeeds and admitted them to Gardens of Pleasure.
And if only they upheld [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to them from their Lord, they would have consumed [provision] from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them are a moderate community, but many of them – evil is that which they do.
O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.